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Would be fun to have them debate a flat-earther who thinks the Catholic Church is one of the sinister forces behind heliocentrism. ETA: I would like to see that whole debate from the flerf conference.

I had forgotten about this one.

I wasn't until 20:30 that I realized that his shirt is covered in lobsters, now it's all I see.

29:26 – "no one is lit like that" well buddy I am pretty fucking lit right now let's goooo

There's something hilarious about the fact that Galileo wasn't heavily persecuted for heliocentrism, and the main reason people didn't believe in heliocentrism is that there was no evidence for it before the invention of optics (and the lack of observable stellar parallax without the use of optics was evidence against heliocentrism), but someone became so enamored with the heavily fictionalized version of events that they are unironically defending what was, basically, a straw man argument--and ignoring science and the Church to do it.

Wrong! The Sun and Earth orbit one another. This is a scientific fact.

Does anyone else find this endlessly hilarious?I mean tricked? It's like they are 3rd graders. Hahaha

can't argue with the lobster shirt

I like your lobster shirt 😊

I just tried to interview myself, but I was being a real jerk. I wouldn't answer one question what a waste of time!

Hilarious, the so-called smartest among us, get caught telling the truth about something, and then cry I was tricked! how smart could you really be?

18:24 - 18:42. How many takes did you do until you managed one that didnt break out in laughter? 🤣

The term "Libertarian" is becoming almost meaningless. Silly me for once thinking it had something to do with Anarchism.

I never understood why the flat earth and geocentrists feel that the existence of life on earth being an accident/result of big bang/evolution makes it insignificant. I think that one lonely space rock along millions around us being the only one to host life as we know it, to have such varied and complex life forms while those around us are just boiling/freezing rocks and gas balls... I think it's actually very significant and kind of divine in its own way. It doesn't make any difference to me where we are in all that.

I'm not sure what the "targets" of this video are proposing, but IF a Creator God made the Earth (and us), and the rest of the "cosmos" was generated for us to perceive ("Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth") then the "mass-centric" notion of centrality would be . . immaterial ; )

Okay but you skipped pluto babe

The last 52 seconds of this video are the best damn thing I've seen in weeks. Hope your arm's back to normal!

Just a thought; if both position and movement is relative, wouldnt the heliocentric model and this specific geocentric model be exactly the same? It just uses different centres, but all the movement of the planets relative to each other stays the same, right?

That time when like/dislike ratio under this video, was complete opposite of comments sentiment

33:48 This is the exact moment at which I noticed the lobsters

"...an energy EFT master practitioner certified by the Guild of Energists"...? 🤨 *HADOKEN!* 🤷‍♂️

It’s so weird to me that people would need to put us at the center to be special since the earth is pretty special. We ended up in the “goldielocks zone” where life can actually happen. I mean, at least 8 other big losers and several smaller loser planets couldn’t do that in our solar system alone.

Yeah... they were "duped" but Lawrence Krauss, Max Tegmark, and Kate Mulgrew are very intelligent and media savvy. They have people that help them with this stuff and should have known better. In the case of Krauss, maybe, he's not the person he projects himself to be? In 2018 he was forced out of his prestigious professorship at ASU after multiple sexual harassment allegations. He has also had a long association with Jeffery Epstein, accepting large grants from Epstein and even defending Epstein when things first started to get weird. (see https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2019/07/12/former-asu-physicist-lawrence-krauss-got-250-k-jeffrey-epstein/1718659001/) At the very least this indicates a serious lack of judgment, and perhaps a lot worse.

OK, paying lip service to the obvious is counter productive. Actually wasting time trying to reason with a Flat Earther makes very little sense. If they had the capability to reason in any significant way they wouldn't be Flat Earthers. Go out and talk to a tree. Your time will be better spent. It's all a belief system with these people anyway, no logic involved. You will achieve World peace before you'll convince them of anything.

Here's a rule of thumb: if you have to say "There's nothing about the Jews in this film" you've got a problem.

Ol' Robby probably agrees with the Left Behind guy, but they both think the other are heretics worthy of death.

And I don’t want to hear it’s the type of test being done because in the Ball earth theory there’s nowhere you can go where the earth is not spinning, no matter if your inside a structure or not. The term should not apply what so ever. The data would be useless if that were the case as well.

So why does NASA describe the earth as flat and non rotating in this Pdf of an airframe flight parameter test? https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890005752.pdf

Helois Gevit how about you explain why they have divers with scuba tanks and swim fins visible in they’re live spacewalk feeds? Here’s an example, space walks are done in a pool in Houston live edited to look like space. https://youtu.be/SHrETD9HkOk

@Billy Mehaffey What's it like having a single digit IQ?

Here’s a good video for you to get your head around. NASA is a total 100% HOAX https://youtu.be/3g0Ya7rOeco

Nidejo https://youtu.be/uPaoCpYjznU

Nidejo want to see a sample of NASA’s fake ISS footage? watch them hanging by harnesses and using augmented reality to fake zero. Gravity,https://youtu.be/uPaoCpYjznU

That's one handsome lobster shirt there.

Why lobsters?

Oh wow, the idiots are Fascist. WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED?!

holy shit that ending

The entire video was great but the last 30 seconds was absolutely brilliant lol.

I just don’t understand the correlation between geocentricism and religion. The heliocentric model does not exclude religion or a belief in god. Regardless of which model is the “correct one”, like, what does that really do for you? You’re still going to have atheists, gays, trans, Jews, etc. It doesn’t prove god exists either so what do you think you’re gaining from this? Regardless of where the earth “stands”, it is still pretty significant and amazing and wondrous. It’s the only place we can live dumbass!!! Even if there are livable planets out there, Earth would still be unique. I just don’t get why these things have to be mutually exclusive depending on what you believe?

I think some folx elsewhere in the comments managed to pick it out: these folks don't want to prove that "we", all people living on Earth, are special - they want to prove that "we", reactionary authoritarian Christians like themselves, are special, and do so _without also proving_ that Jews, homosexuals, liberals, and every other person they want to call inferior is special. And if their God has arbitrarily chosen Earth to be a special place, their God can also have arbitrarily chosen _them_ to be special among those on Earth. I don't know why people want to invest so much energy in justifying their bigotry but I think that's what they're doing.

My entire takeaway from this video is that Uranus is ace. 😂

cat bites are serious business also, this is not that much weirder than a lot of the other stuff michio kaku talks about

Hey I mean, I’d fuck Jupiter.

I never thought I’d hear a grown man say: bi obvi 😂

Im pretty baSed but this guy is going way too far

love the lobster shirt

these days it feels like you need to have an argument just over whether or not the opposing side is actually arguing about something

Do not attempt to equate the flat earth religion with those who are aware of the dangers of vaccines. If you do, you are serving the liars, and are, in fact, anti-science yourself.

RT if ur a damnable heretic ✡️

Libertarianism has nothing against multiculturalism. I know you first specified that it’s certain corners of libertarianism, but those people are authoritarians who want liberty for themselves and people who look like them, but not for anyone else. That means they aren’t libertarians. These people are just racist conservatives or oligarchs who like the name libertarian, but have no clue what it means. Libertarians do oppose large countries, but it has nothing to do with the threat of multiculturalism.

I remember when I realised our solar system wasn't the centre of our galaxy and I was all Mind Blown!

I just discovered your channel yesterday........via that flat earth video that took QUITE a turn.... I gotta say, I so respect your evenhanded honest assessment of these "fringe" ideas....because the thing is, the fringe is fast becoming mainstream. It genuinely scares me to see how many loved ones close to me....are fully embracing, let's just say...certain ideas. But I really love how LONG your videos are. These topics need _time_ to fully delve into. And you take that time. I'm so here for it. Thank you.

I really really like your shirt. I don't normally like shirts like.....that. But I like this one a lot. Can I have it?

There's book smarts and there's street smarts, they rarely converge.

I just looked around myself and I'm definitely in the center.

That ending felt like a bit from welcome to nightvale

ok but what about pluto

These people want to go back to the dark ages 😂

i seriously doubt there's something like a massive black hole or something like that in the center of the universe

Why?

This was my first of your videos, and I was thinking how conceded it seemed to pose yourself like an expert being interviewed in your own vid.... Glad I started watching it again and got far enough to get let in on the joke!

I am the center of the universe CUZ I'M SO DUMMY THICCC

I like how all those that question physicists are "crack pots" Or conspiracy theorists... all the people that question the "science" are ignorant or something... very unbiased...

What annoys me about those who believe in geocentrism is they claim that the bible is the main form of evidence for it, and yet the bible doesn't actually say anything that could be directly taken to mean the sun revolves around the Earth. (never mind that the amount of truth in the bible is iffy.) Source: I grew up in a Christian home, and still own a bible. (Edit: fixed a couple of grammar mistakes, and added something else for my point.) (Second Edit: Never mind, he mentioned exactly what I was talking about in the video.)

What is that shirt

13:30 is that Rino Romano?

Waaaaait... was this interview-like intro a reference to the autor of the documentary interviewing himself or is this normal in this channel? Because i was so confused if the guy talking was the owner of the channel, being interviewed by the owner or if that was just the channel style

entirely a reference to the author of the doc in question

I always thought it was a cia plot to basically derail people from truth. I never thought the earth was flat. It all seemed like a hoax within a hoax to me.

Imagine honestly believing the pope, vatican, and church speak with the voice of god but thinking they're wrong and you, specifically, are right because you want to hate Jews. Yikes.

Its flat.....dont be stupid....

algorithmic punch!

Dan you make the most fascinating videos. Such varied topics but always interesting! P.s. great shirt

I'd argue that we're not the exact center of the universe. Missed that by about, say... 50 feet.

I love how these people who claim to be following the Bible cherry pick harder than an orchard at harvest time. Anyone who has read the Bible with a mind to study it would throw almost all of their assertions out the window at first run through, and the stuff they'd agree with is only stuff that everyone agrees is true. No wonder scientists increasingly think the religious crackpot, when this vocal minority is absolutely nuts and power hungry. Cause that's what this is. These people want power, and they then try to rewrite the world to explain why they should be given power. Funny, then, that the Bible bluntly rebukes people like that, over and over and over stating how the "humble" are the true inheritor's of God's mercy. Looking for ways to be put above others is something Jesus rebuked the Apostles for, and they were just being mildly prideful. Imagine the holy backhand these dudes would get if they talked to Jesus.

"This is a veiw that's so taboo, we dare not even say its name". I hope to god that's an Invader Zim reference XD

9:55 its easy to dismiss most of the underlying cynicism in this video but I dont think its fair to outright call someone a crackpot religious zealot because they dont share the same viewpoint. I'm sincerely coming from a place of appreciation for the video overall but i paused it just to add this one critique. Thanx

This remembered me of a show history channel made here in Brazil based on a book written by an alt-right journalist, known for stating false history facts that were based merely on rumors and gossips that used to be spread. Not only that, they invited historians that had actively criticized that book and/or been criticized by the writer of the book, and later had to re-debut the 1st episode without the interviews from said historians.

You know you don't actually have to interact or humor flat earthers, you can do what I do, call them dumbasses, laugh, and never talk to them again.

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I see a lot of people blaming religion but c'mon you know if religion never existed humanity would find other reasons to justify their ignorance and hatred its just what humans do. Religion isn't the problem humans are. Its the reason why someone can follow a religion and be a peaceful kind person and someone else can follow the same religion and be hateful and evil. If someone wants to hate someone else they will no matter what. If someone wants to hate science they will no matter what. Humanity is amazing in its ability to justify its bad behavior no matter the background or regional beliefs.

Very interesting. Also, you have a lobster on your shirt.

Can we also take a moment to appreciate that, as always, the throbbing heart of this documentary is anti-Semitism? Who is this cabal of folks suppressing the information? Off camera, these folks have zero qualms saying it is The Jews (TM).

- Jupiter? - Asked, he´ll say he´s straight but... he also sleeps with everything... Damn straight!

God the word balance has just broken some people

I've watched this video a couple times now and every time the "That's your reality dude" bit kills me, like. The way he says it, it really really sounds like someone actually said it to him and he was just so offended by it that he had to sit on it, and seethe about it, like it sounds like he thinks about this comment a lot, but the comment itself was just, "Dude, that's your reality."

That was likely the most polite way the guy found to call him deluded

Geocentrics tricked you onto Jeffrey Epstein's plane and onto his island! 🐿💨😷

Please keep talking to me about all the things.

an obvious case of the blind leading the blind. hey mister. do a debunk of the video 'QUOTES THAT TELL US WE HAVE ALL BEEN LIED TO' let;s see how well you fair. for anyone interested the video mentioned above covers literally dozens of known scientists and cosmologists who admit the evidense of a geocentric earth but have shown to be more than willing to COOK THE BOOKS in order to manipulate the true science. sadly ther'll never be an end to punks like the video maker above who have a vested interest in upholding the lie of heliocentricism. no, i am not a bible thumping christian

@Michael Abbott good question. unfortunatly the answer is often not good enough for they who ask. all we can do is try the sciences used to be the study of nature and the world as it is. and yes, with the creator in mind. those days are gone. over the centuries they have become a 'world view' mostly devoid of truth. a good example would be the archaeologist. or paleantologist. who will readily jump to conclusions and/or fakery about their findings based on false premises such as strata or evolutionary wishfull thinking. all the while hoping for international acclaim in their fields. cosmologists are no different. the bottom line being intelectual pride and a blatant refusal to admit that there is an intelligence behind creation. (oh, did i forget to mention the money bit?) and if you should happen to find soft tissue in dinosaur bones you better shut up about it and if you do find human made tools where you shouldn't you better shut up about it and if you do find evidense that we are on an immovable domain at the center of the universe you'd better shut up about that too. cos truth has been bought and paid for and hidden away in the smithsonian institute so upstarts like you or me don't start to doubt their self injected authority on who and where we are. enough?

Okay, why would people lie about it though?

Thank god I kept an open mind about how to determine if a person is a witch. As we all know, if the person floats, she's a witch. If she sinks, she ain't a witch. This has come in very handy in my life, my open mind.

Why not unbury the film ?

I agree with you that the earth is round. Some of your claims that you are throwing in with that though are dubious at best like Mars is bi? Only men come from Mars, so... Obviously you are wrong.

There is this video, I can't remember off the top of my head whether it was by minutephysics or vsauce, where they talk about the nature of the expansion of the universe being completely uniform means that you can view that expansion as coming from any given point and it will be accurate. I'm sure that geo-centrists would argue this is a way of saying that there is no center of the universe, but personally I think it can be interpreted in the far more interesting way that the entire universe in the center of the universe. Every single point is simultaneously the center, and to me I think you can definitely find some spiritual significance in that.

ain't no planet x comin cuz ain't no space cuz ain't not globe earth

Well, this is all true, obviously, but the reason WHY these people exist is glossed over. First, for one to believe that Earth is flat and is the center of the universe, one needs to be uneducated, because of obvious reasons. Second, to believe that the conspiracy is possible, you have to witness some sort of conspiracy - the event in which something obviously false is brought forward as something true and made a de-facto "right" thing to say by the people with power. Third, there has to be a clear-cut reason for their ideas to be true. So the question "why do they believe this" is actually more interesting than "how do they profit of it" or "how they hoax people to agree with them". And an answer to this question is really simple: because all of the above are true for some people. All three. Media are often biased toward a view that they see as "right", there are things that are questionable at best, but are presented as fact and there is a reason for these things to be said like that, even if the reason itself might not be understood by the "masses". To put it simply: if you are ready to lie about or neglect, say, Biden's corruption, a man you want to be a president, what else are you ready to lie about to meet your goals? Where the line is drawn? And if something as big as that can be pulled, then what else can be done? What IS truth anymore, who can really lie to you? If you don't have a good understanding of the system and good basic education, the world really can seem to be this massive pile of lies and people tend to turn to the basics when they are in doubt. So yeah, it's throwing rocks in a glass house deal - by controlling and deciding the "universal truth", you open a way for the people to descend into more primal beliefs.

well this video absolutely fucked. i mean it SLAPPED. thank u

Egg

BUT MUH SCIENCE TOLD ME IT WAS TRUE!!! There's no difference between people who blindly believe in a magic man in the sky and people who believe in the cult of science. It's all completely faith-based.

@Ivan Alberto Negrete Ojeda that’s fair. No need to apologize

@Dylan Chouinard yeah, I know that, my intent with the comment was more like gravity and gravity deniers, even if you dont believe in gravity or space or whatever it won't change the fact that those things exist. Like when people thought Earth was the center of the solar system, it didn't make it true. I dont know if I explained myself better now hahahaha English isnt my first language and sometimes it is kinda hard to translate what I try to say to english without changing what the original intent was

@Ivan Alberto Negrete Ojeda Eh, that’s not necessarily the case either. Scientists are constantly reevaluating theories and no researcher should claim their data applies to everything at all times. There are always exceptions to the rule, but there are also some things that we are pretty much sure are true. Like heliocentrism and the Earth being round

Beautiful thing about science: regardless if you believe in it or not, it works :)

Except science can be reliably expected to be correct about what it says because it has evidence

You can trick anyone, out of their learning. Only a simpleton would disagree!

Jordan B. Petersen and his daughter probably approve of your shirt.

This is the most important thing your conspiracy videos have taught me: some people just suck. Some people are just mad that their hateful, stupid ideologies don't work, or are unpopular, and can only function by lying to themselves and others that they're right and those they oppose are evil. They're not misguided saints, they're cruel idiots desperately trying to exact some control on the world in the most destructive ways possible.

@fangirlfortheages i agree

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I wish that audiences were smart enough to recognize a science documentary that isn't...you know...good. If the director comes out and says that she's entertaining multiple perspectives or opinions, you probably have a bad science documentary on your hands. It isn't the viewer's responsibility to sort through a bunch of scientific evidence and decide what's true. It's the job of the documentary to do that for you and to then show you why. It's hardly the only potential sign you have some crap on your hands (for instance, Blackfish and Gasland are both science-adjacent documentaries that would meet that requirement, but endorse at best controversial views outside of the consensus of, respectively, marine biology and both geology and petroleum engineering in favor of forwarding an ideological stance), but it's a hell of a red flag.

Well actually... @3:07 the earth is not not at the center of the universe ;) it's actually a meaningless statement as you'd have to specify in which reference frame (basically meaning from which point of view) the earth is or is not at the center of. And as any reference frame is just as valid as any other, this statement is meaningless. So yeah, the earth is or is not at the center of the universe, pick the one you prefer and assume the harder calculations in one point of view compared to the other ;) Edit : Well actually... no. @5:03 and actually the whole paragraph encompassing this sequence, you don't need to discard anything to put the earth at the center of the universe. You just have to perform a coordinate transformation (which is something allowed by general covariance). Then you'd have some weird "forces" appearing that look very much like Coriolis forces but at a cosmological scale and everything, gravity, relativity and so on would work just fine everywhere ;)

I get the sense that if Dan were in a California high school in the 70s, he would’ve been an avid fan & early adopter of the catchphrase “Face on you!”

This just remind me how easy it is to manipulate "professionals". For me most of those people are just exactly what the fake pros do, it's just people agreen with each other and giving titles one another to continue validating their status . Except actual professionals change when given new valid evidence. You know, common sense.

The final segment is just *chefs kiss*

Freakin' cats man. They suck. Get a dog.

I'm a little late to the party but I want to contribute to the reflection Dan ever so pointedly gave us. These pseudo scientists don't want real scientists in their documentaries only to make their conspiracy theory look more believable, they also want scientists in their documentaries to ridicule them. It's their way of saying "look how I easily tricked this so called scientist to agree with my ideas! Is this the man you trust to tell you facts? What does he knows? I'm the smart one and therefore I'm correct"