Rebuild? Why? - Marble Machine X #142

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    Wintergatan

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    A lot of REAL progress this week! I thought it was high time that i tried to give you all some context on why i am doing this major redesign that i am working on right now. Im presenting one theory that might explain the motivation behind the decision to do this redesign. Perhaps the Marble Machine X itself is the Local Maximum, in that case, the current process will lead me to that discovery and i will take another u-turn to find the path to the world tour. Probably i will take the advice that has been given to me so many times during the past years: "Why dont you just play guitar?"
    :) Hope you all are are having a great day and enjoy everyone! ;) / Martin

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DoodleChaos
DoodleChaos

Ooof that was a brutal angle grinder. Hang in there Martin, regardless of what happens we support you.

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TheChipmunk2008
TheChipmunk2008

@Wintergatan YASSSSSSSS

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JoRasEyez
JoRasEyez

Redesign?????? am gonna stop watching i sad a million times Martin has a problem ... i wasted like 3 years following this project ........we all know martin he is perfectionist ,but every thing has its limit.. and i think he is doing this because the channel was not for building the marble machine , so he is scraping the barrel , soo it was fun while it lasted .... bye bye

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numfortably_combed
numfortably_combed

@Wintergatan Hi Martin, You're now reaching epic levels of failure rates with the grinder! ;-) People in the comments below are talking about 6 Sigma standards. I'd also mention that you've reached the stratosphere-- you're now talking about aeronautical design levels of failure. See also ideas about "redundancy" in design and "fault tolerance." Airplane safety statistics might also be helpful to get a grasp of how to pinpoint design durability and weakness. Keep striving for excellence!

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Atomic Shrimp
Atomic Shrimp

If you had to approach a completely different, but equally complex machine build project in the future, knowing what you have learned along the way, what would you do differently? Seems to me that you might invest more time testing single prototypes of a sub-mechanism before iterating them across the machine itself - that is, for example, build one marble dropper, and test it with a million marble drops. Then you're only fixing one thing, rather than fixing 20 of the same thing, only to find that the fix isn't sufficient. I'm not saying I would do better myself (in fact I know I wouldn't - I simply lack the patience for this scale and complexity of engineering), and it's also less exciting and less fulfilling to be just testing components, instead of seeing the machine emerge of course. Hope this doesn't come across as critique - I'm actually just interested to know how your methodologies have changed across the course of the project.

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ramp agent 92
ramp agent 92

@Cobalt 27 try to isolate and figure out which game is doing it. Then inform Martin on whichever media you think he is most likely to see it.

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YourResidentRedleg
YourResidentRedleg

Not gonna lie. I don’t care about any sort of reason. I’m not gonna stick around for someone to rebuild the same thing over and over and over and over again. Been here for years now. Watching you do this so many times is just monumentally disappointing. Keep screwing yourself, the people who help you, and your fans. Just finish the machine dude. Probability and what actually will happen can be two entirely different things. But oh well. Just milk a Patreon for years with no finished product.

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Frank Wells
Frank Wells

9146 X 5 = 45,730

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Jonas Pihl
Jonas Pihl

I Can hear the cad team screaming

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Jamie Kawabata
Jamie Kawabata

"All my friends have at least one friend like that." Hmmm... checks out.

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wilson langeani
wilson langeani

You build it, man! https://youtu.be/hyCIpKAIFyo

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Ro Paul
Ro Paul

This is a prime example of why I unsubscribed from this channel. What will you redesign next? You can spend the rest of your life on continuous improvements. I can see it now Episode #507 - Marble Divider Version 8

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Chuck D
Chuck D

I wish I was this brilliant.

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Rafael Pernil
Rafael Pernil

I think it would be better to design the MMX to be serviceable, to have easy to replace parts and ways to recover from failure quickly

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Niko Shropshire
Niko Shropshire

I am not sure if you want to get your machine complete. Wth?

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Skillfully Executed
Skillfully Executed

Well your probability math is a bit poor there but okay, u can't really say u have a 99% stability rate based on 100 marbles, that is not a dynamic probability. What you are looking for is stability, meaning a 99.9% probability for each marble to go through the system successfully, if after this you can start calculating using the probability of instance 1, and put the number of attempts as a power of. Probability of a marble stopping within 3584 time(s) at 99.9% probability = 0.9993584 = 0.027714675751556 = 2.77% So at 99.9% you'd actually have a 2.77% failure rate for each time you played the song, that is more than acceptable.

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MC Falkenstein
MC Falkenstein

25:43 "I know my friends have at least one friend like that" That one cracked me up :D

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Diário de um casal viking
Diário de um casal viking

4:35 Hey guys, ChrisFix here

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Charlie
Charlie

Lolz that graph about the local max is hilarious

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Charlie
Charlie

Your transparency is so refreshing Martin. Been a fan for quite a while and love how much detail you give all us fans. Cheers and Stay Safe.

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nursefuzzywuzzy
nursefuzzywuzzy

Martin Don't you dare quit on this! You can get it to work I know you can do it!!!!

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MeMuX
MeMuX

You should make a "Loctite usage" counter next video of assembly lol xD

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AlexTheFluffyBoi
AlexTheFluffyBoi

I wonder if we'll get a remake of the marble machine song on the new marble machine i really hope so :3

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Pete Hyde
Pete Hyde

Service with a smile

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Michael Nio
Michael Nio

What program do you use for your cnc router?

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風見隼人
風見隼人

I hope I can see my name next time. QAQ

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Candra Shalahuddin
Candra Shalahuddin

I have followed your progress in making this masterpiece. I'm very inspired! But at this point it looks like you are too emotional to do this brutal angle grinder. If you discuss this first on YouTube before act, I will advise you to make an MMX version, finish your work in stages, don't destroy what you have previously made, make a new one that is better without destroying the old one. nothing is perfect, perfect is respecting imperfection But I respect your decision. Just don't get discouraged Martin. I hope the best for you!

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Simorenarium
Simorenarium

As a Software Developer I can really relate to the complexity and sometimes to the necessety to redisgn things...

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HackdIluminattihater
HackdIluminattihater

24:49 Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

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Th3f0xman Mc
Th3f0xman Mc

martin the 371 thousand people that watched this video are the real supporters

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G erman C arrasco
G erman C arrasco

In other words, songs for the tour are not ready, building life in France is cozy and COVID allows to postpone completition undefinetey

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NaiOni
NaiOni

So this is what I'm wondering... Isn't the likelihood of a master musician missing a note greater than 0.00001%? And isn't the likelihood of a string failing on a guitar greater as well? It's starting to feel like you're chasing precision that might actually be unachievable. The Lego company has some of the most accurate and precise manufacturing of any factory in the world, and 18 out of 1 000 000 pieces are faulty. That's 0.0018%, that's a lower precision than you are aiming for with the MMX. You are building a machine at least partially by hand with the goal of it having higher precision than some of the most sophisticated machines in the world. I'm worried that your unwillingness to compromise could make the completion of the MMX impossible. I admire the dedication, but this is the first time watching these videos that I've truly felt that you might be aiming towards the unachievable.

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Tedd
Tedd

As a comparison, how did the original marble machine fare stability-wise? I know a lot of marbles dropped to the floor, as can be seen in the video, but how much work was it to get one song out of the machine?

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Tausif ali
Tausif ali

No one..... German Engineering: Lets make a band using marbles

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Koawei
Koawei

classic to steampunk

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Daniel Brendemuehl
Daniel Brendemuehl

With the graph Martin I just got to say I completely support you, but as a machinist I know that if you are dealing with anything mechanical you are going to have failures. Nothing will be perfect you can get close but nothing in this world is perfect.

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chatparesseux
chatparesseux

What you described is 6 sigma standard there are training books to reach that standard in the engineering process. Most automotive industries follow it

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Ev3rM0r3
Ev3rM0r3

One of the most dedicated individuals I have never met but the most intriguing single person I've watched on youtube or anywhere. I've watched your progress from day one on the last build and now this new one. What a journey. I could never follow in your ambition footsteps. I envy you sir. And GL on completion. And god damnit you better complete this!

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Forge
Forge

Welcome to the 5 9's club!

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Rai Kanegasi
Rai Kanegasi

7:58 If you were going to bore me, I wouldn't be watching you. Keep going, you're doing great.

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zerohm m
zerohm m

been following this for what feels like years now. really cool to watch the different iterations and major breakthroughs you have periodically.

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ky
ky

At this rate I don’t know if it will ever get finished.

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vinasu maaj
vinasu maaj

"In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - John von Neumann

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Tony C
Tony C

You're kidding me.... just finish the machine already!

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Damalycus
Damalycus

HENCE!!!

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vinasu maaj
vinasu maaj

the last part about stability hits home as a software engineer

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MrCyssiek
MrCyssiek

Martin... I stopped watching this amazing project because... you tripping dude. You should know where is healthy line because MMX is not your project anymore, its obsession.

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Drew
Drew

Martin: takes out angle grinder Cad team: NONONONONONONONONONONONONO

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Jakubiak Kos
Jakubiak Kos

20:00 Explanation

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Steven Kozlosky
Steven Kozlosky

I love what you've done and what you're doing!! It's so much more than a build - it's instructive. My son is currently embroiled in a senior project at university. It's a device that four students conjured up in a spitball session and now they're tasked with building it. It has electronic and mechanical components but I'm convinced that the lesson is elsewhere - the lesson is the human components and learning to usher resources. The likelihood of a device that four kids agreed to build based on an hour spitballing ideas will work is slim to none and not really important.   I concluded this having watched our eldest go through a similar "senior project" at another university. It was, by my estimate, not successful as a product, but what his team learned about engineering and management was priceless.   Thanks again for all you do!!!

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Carter Laubach
Carter Laubach

Don’t give up! You have made too much progress to turn back!

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Omnihil777
Omnihil777

November 2036 : 6th rebuild of the MMX on the way, we think it will be ready in 2 months...

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Exploding Crow
Exploding Crow

this whole project is proof that engineering and art can coexist also i'm from chicago, i have no idea if it's actually a 'chicago' or 'boston' screw, but apology accepted anyway also also, if you look briefly at the history of machines moving really fast, before the industrial revolution there was no real concept of machinery failing through normal use. things didn't move fast, you didn't have a part that was being used hundreds if not thousands of times a second. so when things started breaking on the big expensive new machines it took a collective brain blast from engineers to figure out what was happening. you basically went through all of that independently. i went to engineering school, i'm not even sure if that's where i learned about the problem. if it was they mentioned it like once and never again. the biggest breakthroughs of the past have become so common that they aren't even considered important enough to be common knowledge

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Jasper Cattoor
Jasper Cattoor

Noooo don't give up :o

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Jasper Cattoor
Jasper Cattoor

Yes, exactly, I mean WTH? WHYYYYY

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nur farrahana
nur farrahana

You are so geneous

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Shankara Rhuddlan
Shankara Rhuddlan

Hi Martin! Before I say anything else please know how much we appreciate you and how much you have inspired so many of us!!! I had this idea... what if you take any of the parts you removed and won't use again and auction off some of these parts to help raise money for upgrades, stir up some hype and excitement and allow some of us to donate and possible win a piece of MMX history and display it in our homes while we continue with you on this journey? Thanks for reading my comment and thank you for being so awesome!!!!

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CarColleRote
CarColleRote

noice

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soniyu ziuy
soniyu ziuy

level

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soniyu ziuy
soniyu ziuy

... will last months. The difference is remarkable :)

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Sean Lyttle
Sean Lyttle

6:12 - Thumbs up for a perfect transition and a perfect illustration of your point!!! Nicely done.

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Jacob Johansen
Jacob Johansen

the last part about stability hits home as a software engineer

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Jacob Johansen
Jacob Johansen

Teflon shims could also work as a friction reducer without the need to reapply the graphite lubricant over time... its what's on the bottom of mice

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Blacklab412294
Blacklab412294

Ok, I get why you are using water - to keep your bits cool. But why not Cutting Oil (the stuff you use when your tapping Threads) ? Water can lead to rusting (if you are using Iron), but tapping Oil tends to really cut down on friction, is great at cutting holes too. Sure you have to degrease after words, but still Water can be hard on drill bits.

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bill bergovoy
bill bergovoy

as for ur diatribe re global maximum/local maximum, u spent a great deal of time reciting info/math that doesnt matter. the bottom line is, examining any musical instrument. They all work perfectly. PERFECT. saxophone? every time u press a key, it opens the right amount and closes the same way, every single time. guitar, same. trombone, same, violin, it doesnt matter. the beauty is how perfect they work. the side affect is, how easy it is to determine the value by how well it is built and the material used. but the design is the same, and remains unchanged. this also isolates any variations in sound quality, is a result of the amount of skill/talent of the musician. the beauty of ur marble machine is due to the dichotomy of how complex it is, while still being able to create awesome sound. but, therein lays the problem. IT IS COMPLEX. meaning there is chance of mistakes during assembly, or maintenance, or accidental impact, and not being able to ID what might have been impacted, and or causing more damage by not being diagnosed properly then getting used more and more but, asis abundantly apparent, the creation of music is not the primary achievement. the design/assembly is as much of marvel as you cranking on a lever and pressing/pulling on levers and buttons all of it is evertainment, proving reliefaaaaaa to me and many others and for that, I thank you

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bill bergovoy
bill bergovoy

oh no. no no graphite powder is awesome, but not on unfinished / raw wood. if friction is a concern, you should have done a couple different things. over cut the slots, then install a low friction material where the metal parts slide on the low friction material. or, you can sand the slots, by working thru the sand paper grits, up to the highest grit you want. maybe 1000g? or, u can again sand the slots/grooves, but no need to go upward of 220g sandpaper. Then apply a few coats of sanding sealer, lacquer base. (dont let the name, 'lacquer' scare u off. This is the easiest material to apply and get awesome results. It will also penetrate deeply and allow super easy sanding. after a few coats of lacquer you can apply a few coats of wax car polish This will give u the best low resistance surface possible. the graphite is messy as you now know. but the bigger problem is that it will GUNK UP. it will get moist, attract oils, water, and gum up, creating a bigger problem whereas wax wont have any problem, except the chance of over maintenance, which can be fixed relatively quickly/easy. anyways, good luck

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Comic Fox
Comic Fox

“Maybe I SHOULD give up” Everyone: *No*

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Valsa sam
Valsa sam

See nothing is perfect so we have to work harder and harder to achieve that perfection

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bitbrain
bitbrain

Hey Martin. Professional Software Engineer here. The 99.999+% case you are making also applies in Software Design. However, at some point, failure WILL happen. Even if you have optimised here 99.9999999% failure WILL happen. This is why you also should consider Resilience, or the ability how to deal with failure. For example, Tesla cars have a complete redundant computer system. In case one fails, the other will take over. (the same applies to their sensors) I don't know how to apply the resiliency principle to your project, however, only considering "failure resistance" might not be enough.

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MEGADEUS
MEGADEUS

Made a joke last year that I can't wait till 2031 when it finally will be complete. Now it's starting to look like I was being a little eagar, I'm pushing it back to 2035...

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bitbrain
bitbrain

A BANANA 🍌

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n_wordmassV.3 .ͤ̀͋
n_wordmassV.3 .ͤ̀͋

It went from all wood to stainless steal and metal and stuff

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*ArcanHage*
*ArcanHage*

you could make so the machine auto fixes itself, when a marble is stuck it could be released out of the way.

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kainpwnsu
kainpwnsu

I find putting a wrecking ball to personal work for redesign is refreshing. I'm a programmer and do this often. My best work is done when something is lost and I have the replace it using what I learned to my advantage.

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George Georgalis
George Georgalis

Good time to add a 1 or two octave virginal? 3D print some biotin to pluck strings, and build a rolling mechanism with per key enabling levers that drive an open clutch accept when programming tabs turn the adjusted cogs for a pluck? :-)

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George Georgalis
George Georgalis

Actually, why is the inside wheel empty? Wish there were a 2 octave harp in the middle. Or, just a click track generator driven by gravity, the biggest marble of all, and programmed on the inside of the wheel...

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ruddyadam
ruddyadam

You can't unsee the bunnies.

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TheChipmunk2008
TheChipmunk2008

Tip regarding graphite that may be useful in normal life for people who aren't building a world class musical instrument... or maybe even if you are. If you have a key that's difficult to insert. It's probably the LOCK itself... but rubbing a pencil (the higher the B rating the better, but HB (#2) works) on the key and inserting a few times, maybe repeat the rubbing ... will last months. The difference is remarkable :)

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oldjeff100
oldjeff100

Never give up my son

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Errett Fitchett
Errett Fitchett

this is probably the most unpleasant start of a video to watch, seeing you disassemble your masterpiece is tough.

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Adrian Stoness
Adrian Stoness

re the dry lub parts that whole wood asembly i hope ur working into the design being able to replace those with out having to tare the whole thing apart after ware and tare on thw wood from the sliding wood parts

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Mary da Silva
Mary da Silva

Martin - You sound so much better. A month ago or so, I was so worried about your mental state. Hearing your voice this time is reassuring that you're ok. I think you're trying to achieve as much perfection as possible however you need to design the machine to be able to handle faults. I think that is the key to your whole design. It can't be all or nothing. If you lose a marble somewhere....no one will notice. If that one marble destroys your machine, everyone will notice lol. So my advice for you is to identify the spots that need fail safes and design it to survive it. It may take more time but it will be worth it in the end. Keep your head high and keep designing the best machine you can. Don't give up.

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Bannister Nicholas
Bannister Nicholas

can't unsee the bunnies

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Scott Warner
Scott Warner

One quick tip for capturing angle grinder sparks is to use a vacuum. If you have enough suction it'll capture most of the sparks as you grind or cut. Have been following you since day one...Keep up the dream!

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Robin van de Luytgaarden
Robin van de Luytgaarden

I just stumbles on this by chance via the youtube algorithm, and I just want to say: what the fuck. I really admire your perseverance. Also its insane how good you are at this, and explain this so clearly. Im not a religious guy, but you are blessed having this skillset!

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The Galactic Time Traveler
The Galactic Time Traveler

why are swede's so crazy

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Robin van de Luytgaarden
Robin van de Luytgaarden

Wtf dude, and im struggling with my everyday life

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bssni touir
bssni touir

clue, but a smooth tipped bolt would provide less friction, no?

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snowio
snowio

dude years ago i saw some of the first few episodes of the progress and was like "nah this aint me i appreciate it but whatever" now years later i see these pop up and now im binging episodes this shit is so interesting i've literally grown up during this insane journey. so excited for the end result.

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bssni touir
bssni touir

parts. The isopropanol quickly evaporates leaving a thin coating attached to the metal that lubes it really well. That way you don't get the powdered graphite all over. It may also

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tuxjob
tuxjob

You're just such a wonderful freak, although freak is the wrong term... genius is the way proper term... please DO NOT GIVE UP!!! You're such an inspiration!!!!

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Fernix 02C2
Fernix 02C2

What if we call Elon Musk to help? (joking of course)

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Vincent van Heijningen
Vincent van Heijningen

``please dear god of marble machines make it work``.......did you see it?

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Duncan ten Kate
Duncan ten Kate

Don't worry, you have still plenty time enoug to finish the machine.

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Anders Folkesson
Anders Folkesson

Erfarenhet är den enda sanna kunskapen! Experience is the only true knowledge! :)

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Svenska VargenTV
Svenska VargenTV

Martin of Wintergatan, u should not thinking on how things going to be broken, think how to improve your mmx, citat "there be always something going to brejk it, there is no question of what but when it brok and then u can improve it to make it better so more stress test you do more reabelity it become"

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AlanTheBeast100
AlanTheBeast100

An exercise in the abandonment of some sunk costs in order to invest time and money more wisely and effectively.

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matteooteo
matteooteo

Why you don't use Hitler meme??? "nine,nine,nine,nine,nine,"

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Toxi Core
Toxi Core

21:19 you have to exponentiate (assuming independence) the stability by the number of marbles to get the probability of no failure that's for - 99% a chance of 0.0000000000002372675539 % - 99,9% a chance of 2.77 % - 99,99% a chance of 69.88 % - 99,999% a chance of 96.48 %

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Nintennerd
Nintennerd

Is there any way to add redundancies that could prevent the MMX from breaking, even when it jams that 0.00001 percent of the time? In other words, could a mechanism be added such that in the event that a jam occurs, the marble machine could still function at full efficiency? To use programming as an example, while not a complete solution, a try/catch statement could be used to account for internal error outliers, by introducing a workaround only when it is needed to prevent a crash. To provide an example for the MMX, where jams could occur (which is wherever there are moving parts) is there a 'detour' the marbles could take so that the machine still plays? Missing one or two notes would be better than having the whole machine stop

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SoreauMook
SoreauMook

Marble f*cking machine.

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slaapkonijn58
slaapkonijn58

why not make it so a marble fails are not critical? i.e. the marble machine doesn't get stuck. A musician can also make mistakes, and if i wanted to listen to perfect music. I probably wouldn't be listening to a machine using marbles to make that music. The 99.9 percent with 3 fails per song would be fine right? but it's probably just in your blood to keep on going untill its absolutely perfect, but making things absolutely perfect is most of the time a quadratic function with respect to time. So think about how much time you actually want to spend, then call something good enough is you spent that time.

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Lewys Cousins
Lewys Cousins

I can only imagine how long this must take 😂

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JoRasEyez
JoRasEyez

Redesign?????? am gonna stop watching i sad a million times Martin has a problem ... i wasted like 3 years following this project ........we all know martin he is perfectionist ,but every thing has its limit.. and i think he is doing this because the channel was not for building the marble machine , so he is scraping the barrel , soo it was fun while it lasted .... bye bye

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Early Ehlinger
Early Ehlinger

Not sure if the ball drop you were showing during your "why" rant is intended to stay or if you were showing it to illustrate why 99.99% isn't good enough. If it's intended to stay, you may want to consider turning a custom bolt that is _not threaded_ where it contacts the ball. Seems to me the sharp edges of the threads could become blunted and lose tiny bits of steel. Probably a small problem, but might contribute 0.000001% to your set of failure modes.

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Chris Clegg
Chris Clegg

Sounds like Martin has discovered Six Sigma. :) https://www.isixsigma.com/new-to-six-sigma/getting-started/what-six-sigma/

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Daniel Bostrom
Daniel Bostrom

I love your marble machine, very Rube Goldberg! For applying the graphite, you might want to try colloidal graphite in isopropanol. You use a paint brush to paint it onto the metal parts. The isopropanol quickly evaporates leaving a thin coating attached to the metal that lubes it really well. That way you don't get the powdered graphite all over. It may also work painting on the plywood, I don't know, I've never tried it. If you can't find the colloidal graphite in isopropanol, you can make your own by simply adding graphite powder to isopropanol.

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tdsangel
tdsangel

maybe you want to have a look at www.wegertseder.com where you can buy nearly all standard parts. the shims you made are DIN 988 shims you can buy cheap in all sizes.

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Jakub Červinka
Jakub Červinka

This is just insulting... good luck chasing all the decimal nines. You will never get total machine perfect performance. That's what synthezators and drum machines are for. Now you are just removing MM's soul.

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